Why this HRC supporter will vote for Obama (with poll)

Okay, I'm angry.  I'm also disappointed.  In terms of political outcomes, this is the worst I've felt about a Democratic nomination in 40 years and in level of pain it's just a couple of notches below Gore/Bush 2000 and about on the level Kerry/Bush 2004.

I started out ambivalent about Hillary Clinton and came to admire her deeply.  I sent her campaign several hundred dollars that I really couldn't afford because I believed in her (also sent money to Tom Allen and Tom Udall...didn't but all my eggs in one basket).  I think she would make a very good president on her own merits and it wouldn't matter to me whether her last name were Clinton or Chryztowski.

I'm writing this to persuade Hillary supporters who might be dubious about Obama or outright hostile to go ahead and suck it up and vote for him.

Let me make it clear:  I don't like Obama.  I think he's a naive fool.  

I don't believe in the blather about "transformation"---and if Obama does win the White House, I think he's going to be in for a rude shock when he tries to govern.  

I don't believe in the blather about "unity" which has the nutritional value of cotton candy; unity requires a common goal and a common philosophy and this country has neither and Obama will not overcome the fracture lines but will have to deal with them.  

I laugh and then I cry at the notions that Obama represents a "post-partisan" future...folks who believe in that should also check out the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny.  Republicans are not going to drop their tenacious equivalent of trench warfare in opposition just because Obama wins.  The only way to overcome them is to overpower them or make them irrelevant.

I don't believe that Obama is "inspirational" in any meaningful sense.  Actually, listening to him inspires me in the direction of nausea.   "I love the way Obama makes me feel," some of his supporters have gushed.  Loving how someone makes you feel is a great reason to go on a date with them, a lousy reason to vote for someone.

I will vote for Obama despite my contempt for many of his supporters who resemble nothing so much as participants in an evangelical religious movement.  Obama is not the Anointed One.   Nor will I ever forgive the Hillary-hating.  I still hold the Eugene McCarthy supporters who stayed home instead of voting for Hubert Humphrey as responsible for giving us the long national nightmare that was Richard Nixon (this litany may seem like indecipherable ancient history to many Obama supporters), so I'll remember the Hillary-hating as long as I live.  And the lesson holds true in reverse:  it's incumbent on Hillary's supporters not to sit on their hands and give the election to John McCain.

Beyond the man and philosophy, I'm concerned on a ruthlessly pragmatic electoral level.  I think the Democrats can pick up 5-7 Senate seats and 10-15 House seats and will do so.  In contrast, I think Obama vs. McCain may be a real sled ride for the White House, despite the vulnerability of the Republican brand and McCain's weak points.

Obama may have a good chance of taking Virginia and Colorado but he also puts Pennsylvania into play in the other direction, which  is purely criminal.   With Obama, Florida is out of reach and Ohio is dicey as is New Hampshire.  This election is likely to be another cliffhanger with a narrow victory in the Electoral College one way or the other.

And it's because of this, despite Obama's shortcomings, despite my loathing of Obamamaniacs, that I will vote for him.   For if Obama is the Fool, McCain is the Malignancy.  

McCain has a reputation as a maverick, a moderate, and a straight-talker.   All three premises are demonstrably false.
His support of Bush's policies---or even supporting policies more extreme than Bush's---are well documented.  (Wonder if the media will get a clue about this.)  A couple of high-profile variances on the closing of Guantanamo, global warming, and campaign financing shouldn't obscure the fact that McCain has a very conservative record.  In the past two years, McCain has voted in support of Bush 100 percent one year, 95 percent the other.   (Remember, Bush was merchandised as being somewhat moderate as well.)   As for straight-talking, McCain makes John Kerry look like a model of cast-iron resolution in contrast.  Since his loss for the 2000 Republican nomination, McCain has repudiated position after position and embraced the Republican Establishment  in a manner metaphorically akin to an act of oral sex that Republican have gotten so exercised about.

America can not risk four years of John McCain appointing judges, including probable vacancies on the Supreme Court.

America can not risk four more years of a mindless jingoistic unilateral foreign and military policy under John McCain.

America can not risk four more years of Republican environmental, labor, and education policies.

America can not risk four more years of a Republican executive trying to erode our civil liberties.

American women should not have to endure four more years of the right to choose an abortion being under assault.

As a matter of justice, Americans should not have to endure a chief executive hostile to gay rights to keep his base happy.

I will vote for the Fool, maintain a shred of hope, and keep my fingers crossed for luck.  I can't risk turning America over to the Malignancy that is John McCain.


Poll
HRC Supporters, will you:
Vote for Obama enthusiastically
Vote for Obama grudgingly
Write in or vote for a third-party
Vote for McCain grudgingly
Vote for McCain enthusiastically
Stay home on election day

Votes: 40
Results : Vote Link : Polls

Display:


This is brutal honesty (2.00 / 3)

...and I thank you for it.


by MMR2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:19:08 PM EST

Re: Why this HRC supporter will vote for Obama (wi (2.00 / 3)

Glad you are on board and hope you are open to being proved wrong in your estimation of Obama.


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:20:14 PM EST

Re: Why this HRC supporter will vote for Obama (wi (none / 0)

It's fine for you not to like the man, but I would at least think you'd respect him for managing to defeat (even if narrowly) the overwhelming favorite for the nomination, or for accurately predicting, in detail, the outcome of the Iraq war in 2002.

But every vote counts.


by Joe Buck on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:26:57 PM EST
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Re: Why this HRC supporter will vote for Obama (wi (2.00 / 1)

Actually, Obama's one shot on Iraq...and neither the mess we've made there is over yet...gives me no sense of assurance about his foreign & military policy.  I'm not at all sure he "gets it" on a nuts and bolts level and it scares the crap out of me.  

What's more impressive, Obama edging Clinton or Obama having the momentum and massively outspending her and still not being able to put her away?  

Caucus participants >>> primary voters >>> general election voters in terms of ideology.

The broader the audience, the worse Obama does.  I'm not sanguine about his prospects.  Hence my endorsement, better early than late.


by InigoMontoya on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:44:29 PM EST
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Re: Why this HRC (2.00 / 3)

It'll do.

Thank you for your pragmatism, if nothing else.

And no, this isn't snark, nor is it a dig at you or anyone else.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:20:30 PM EST

Re: Why this HRC (none / 0)

What he said.

Generally speaking, when talking to HRC supporters, "what Reaper0Bot0 said" works for me.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:37:51 PM EST
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Good diary (2.00 / 1)

I'm undecided.  Like the decision of having kids (which is way off for me), it doesn't matter what I decide now because so much has yet to happen.  

I may vote for him.  It's not likely that I will campaign or volunteer for him.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:23:13 PM EST

Wow. (2.00 / 1)

I can only image the firestorm, if someone here called Clinton "a Fool"


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:24:57 PM EST

Re: Wow. (2.00 / 3)

Al, be realistic.  Motives may matter, but they don't trump pragmatism.

If this works for some people, if this is their calculus, best accept it and not knock it.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:26:55 PM EST
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I understand (2.00 / 1)

still, it's an ugly double standard, especially when there have been so many complaints by Clinton's supporters.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:29:35 PM EST
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Re: I understand (none / 0)

Oh, I agree with you there.

But, as I said:

It'll do.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:32:37 PM EST
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Re: Wow. (2.00 / 2)

Clinton has been called far worse than a Fool and this place is Eden compared to DailyKos.  I'm looking forward to a day when I can invoke Retribution; this is not that day.  Whoever said said that I was ruthlessly pragmatic has it right.


by InigoMontoya on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:49:21 PM EST
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retribution? (none / 0)

so you want to be come what you hate.

when that happens, you'll destroy yourself.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:34:52 PM EST
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Re: retribution? (none / 0)

Actually, Al, there are any number of Obamam acolytes that I have no wish to become.  I've never pretended that Hillary is perfect.  Try suggesting that anything about Obama is flawed....  As I said, it's like an evangelical religious movement.


by InigoMontoya on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:29:41 AM EST
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Re: Why this HRC (none / 0)


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:27:02 PM EST

Re: Why this HRC supporter will vote for Obama (2.00 / 4)

The Democrats have a four-year window to pass a comprehensive plan which federalizes health care.  If we get a Dem in the White House, a majority in the House, and 60 seats in the Senate, we can do whatever we want.  The Dems have a serious shot at this in 2009 or 11 (the last depends upon how the Senate elections go).

Come 2013, the Dems will go back to playing defense in Senate elections (we'll have to defend all of the seats we won in 2006, and in 2008, it's just a numbers game, when more Dem seats in play our margin in the Senate will probably go down).

This should make the choice for many Dems very simple.  If you want the Dems to federalize health care, Obama has to win.  The Dems have been trying to do this for sixty years.  They get a chance to do this every 15 years or so, and so far it just hasn't come together.

So say you're 69 years old.  When you were in third grade Harry Truman tried to federalize health care and failed.  If he had succeeded you would have had health insurance for your entire life.  

And say you're 69 years old and you have a nine-year-old granddaughter.  If the Dems can pull off this trifacta, she'll probably have health insurance for the rest of her life.

This isn't a close call.  If the Dems nominated Justin Guarini to be president, so long as he could sign his name anyone who cares about this issue should vote for him.  Congress passes legislation.  The president signs the bill.


by IncognitoErgoSum on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:43:58 PM EST

Glad to have your vote and sad you think (2.00 / 1)

so poorly of the 17 million people who voted for him. I hope he will pleasantly surprise you and earn your trust and respect and of course vendicate my vote to the 17 million Clinton supporters that think I am a naive, kool aid drinking fool.


by netgui68 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:10:25 PM EST

many Obama fans on the big blogs (2.00 / 1)

are not great ambassadors for their candidate. I've been disturbed by the dominant discourse at Daily Kos for months now, and I don't even like Hillary.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:13:52 PM EST
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That is true but... (none / 0)

I would not say it has been one sided.  I have seen it from both camps and the hard liners on both sides inflame everyone else into a tizzy which at times included myself.

I think time will mend the wounds for most...this primary was really intense and supporters on both sides were emotional, angry, and sharp with the tongue (keyboard in our case)


by netgui68 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:20:07 PM EST
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talked to a HRC supporter on Sunday (2.00 / 2)

This person was a very active volunteer with the Iowa campaign. She is not active on blogs but has been enraged by the demonization of Hillary by some Obama supporters in Iowa this year.

At one point she said, "I don't know how I'm going to vote for that guy, but I have time to figure it out--I don't have to do it today."

She knows she will vote for him, but right now she is angry and doesn't want to focus on voting for Obama.

Millions of Hillary supporters will go through the same process and will come around to voting for Obama, just like the Deaniacs voted for Kerry.

They will not forget what happened in this primary, though. When a local Obama supporter who has publicly attacked the Clintons came up in our conversation, she said, "Just wait till that fucker runs for office."

She is going to make it her mission to see that he doesn't win a Democratic primary for dog-catcher in this state.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:11:54 PM EST

Obama supporters would feel the same (2.00 / 1)

if the shoe was on the other foot...in fact I can think of several Clinton supporters that still has me ticked and it will take a while before I forgive them.


by netgui68 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:24:16 PM EST
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damnit, I really wanted to rec you, in fact (none / 0)

I did, but then I saw you called Obama a naive fool so I had to take it back

sneaky!

not going to fool me again though.


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:20:19 PM EST

Re: damnit, I really wanted to rec you, in fact (none / 0)

He's naive but not a fool.  


by Zanna on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:13:12 PM EST
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no he's not, don't be hateful (none / 0)


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:46:18 PM EST
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